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Greg M Apr 12, 2007, 06:27pm EDT Report Abuse


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FX-55, 2x 1GB GSkill, X1800XT (512MB), 2x250GB RAID-0, DFI SLI-D
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Supreet Virdi Apr 12, 2007, 06:45pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
Impressive.

Change that case to Cooler Master Stacker 830, Praetorian 730 or Mystique 632

Greg M Apr 12, 2007, 06:50pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
My only issues are the SCSI drives. Yeah they're fast, but I don't think its worth the extra $1k for the SCSIs over the WD Raptors

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http://www.gandmpc.com <-My 'project'
http://www.knownpsycho.com <-Web games!
Supreet Virdi Apr 12, 2007, 07:01pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
SAS hard drives are really fast for sure, but sticking with Raptor's won't be bad idea.

~Vel Apr 12, 2007, 07:37pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
why not a QX6800?

Vitaliy (Administrator) Apr 12, 2007, 07:54pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
Drool :)

What were you planning to do with all those disks? RAID10?

PS.
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/66263/

phil Apr 12, 2007, 08:18pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
AMCC 3Ware 9650SE, would be a better controller at the price point ($200-$400)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816116042
($349)
also, get the battery backup unit for it,.. Newegg doesn't seem to sell the BBU though.

also, if you're going with elaborate cooling, and would like to have lots of space inside, i'd switch to a MozartTX case.. theres an optional fold out 7" LCD screen for it, you may want to look at the optional 3.5psu for any 12v requirements in cooling equip. , if you like.,UNFORTUNATELY, it's short drivebays, but WTF does he want with all of those 750gb internals? (is it for redunancy or storage?.. addressed below)
http://www.thermaltakeusa.com/product/Chassis/fulltower/mozart...zartTX.htm
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133026
(with no window) $219
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133025
(with window) $229
i'd also mount the drives in the external 5.25 bays with vented drive covers for keeping them from getting hot.


if the drives are for something like raid 6.. well you'll have to change the drive controller again, if it's for capacity then 1TB drives would be a better option (currently i think Alienware is the only lucky folks to have them).. but never the less, having 6 750gb drives on the motherboard controller (mildly) hacks into any hardware SAS raid advantage.

his best option would be to go 4sas and 4sata2 , in two seperate arrays on an 8x internal drive contoller... or go external (which would be my first choice)

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Greg M Apr 12, 2007, 09:08pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
Thanks guys. I knew you'd have some good advice.

I don't think that Newegg had the 2.66 quad... but I didn't notice that I had the wrong one until a few minutes ago...

I don't think Alienware even has 1TB HDD's yet. They say on their website that if you want your computer faster, to go w/ a 750GB HDD.

SO...

I think I can do away with some of the 750GB HDDs. He has told me that he has about 2TB of RAID-1 external storage that he keeps in his vault for business stuff.
I am trying to maximize speed while still offering about 1TB of space.

Would it be a good idea to create, say a RAID-6 or RAID-5 array of 750GB HDDs?

I agree that it is a rediculous amount of HDD space... maybe just get him 6 147GB SAS drives in RAID-6? Would that be as fast as 4 in RAID-0?

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http://www.gandmpc.com <-My 'project'
http://www.knownpsycho.com <-Web games!
Dublin_Gunner Apr 12, 2007, 09:24pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
Dont know if its been said, but if its meant to be ULTIMATE, for quad core it should be the QX6800 or dual Clovertowns (8 cores)

Also, you'll need a bigger PSU.

And thats quite a lot of storage, video editing?

And only 2gb ram??

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~Vel Apr 12, 2007, 09:36pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
DublinGunner said:
Dont know if its been said, but if its meant to be ULTIMATE, for quad core it should be the QX6800 or dual Clovertowns (8 cores)

Also, you'll need a bigger PSU.

And thats quite a lot of storage, video editing?

And only 2gb ram??


nah, it says 2x 2x 2gb.

the link has a kit of 2 2gb sticks making 4, and 2 x that kit is 8 gb =D

Greg M Apr 12, 2007, 09:43pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
Yes, it is ULTIMATE of ULTIMATE... and it is ACTUALLY going to be built (if I can make more of an impression than a $20k Alienware).

Price is NOT an issue (obviously), but I don't want to WASTE money.

This is a gaming computer FIRST, a Word/business computer SECOND, and a light video editor a distant third. He also has several hundred GB of movies/games/mp3s (and who doesn't?).

How would I go about getting the best out of the CPU? Are Core 2 Duos and Quads multi-CPU compatable?

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FX-55, 2x 1GB GSkill, X1800XT (512MB), 2x250GB RAID-0, DFI SLI-D
http://www.gandmpc.com <-My 'project'
http://www.knownpsycho.com <-Web games!
Greg M Apr 12, 2007, 10:02pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
*UPDATED with new CPUs and Mobo... still looking for RAM...

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FX-55, 2x 1GB GSkill, X1800XT (512MB), 2x250GB RAID-0, DFI SLI-D
http://www.gandmpc.com <-My 'project'
http://www.knownpsycho.com <-Web games!
FordGT90Concept Apr 12, 2007, 10:15pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
Clovertowns use FB-DIMMs, not DIMM. DIMM will not work in FB-DIMM slots.

Budget 1 GB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134085

Mainstream 2 GB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134086

Crazy 4 GB:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134412


Remember, this stuff is usually quad channel so four is better than two.



I would also consider getting an Extended ATX Tyan board over an ATX Supermicro. You can get about a $480 Tyan 5000XT board with integrated SAS support on an LSI chip (see URL below). You need a pretty jolly big case for Extended ATX boards though.

I have the SATA version of this board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813151049

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FordGT90Concept Apr 12, 2007, 10:20pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
Greg M. said:
How would I go about getting the best out of the CPU? Are Core 2 Duos and Quads multi-CPU compatable?

No, Core 2 Duos are socket 775 (single socket) while Xeons are socket 771 (dual socket). I would not mix two different processors because it raises stability issues.


Also, consider an EM-U audio card instead of Creative. They cost more but you get more too.

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Greg M Apr 12, 2007, 10:35pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
I thought about an E-MU card, but since this is a gaming PC, he will want the extra audio effects offered through the X-fi (unless the E-MU can do them too...)

I figured the RAM would have to be changed...
Also figured you guys would recommend a different MoBo.

These things are fun to spec out. I hope I get the go-ahead so I can build it and feel the amazing speed. ;)

Also, just to make sure... SLI works fine on these server boards right?

I will work more on this next Sunday.

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FX-55, 2x 1GB GSkill, X1800XT (512MB), 2x250GB RAID-0, DFI SLI-D
http://www.gandmpc.com <-My 'project'
http://www.knownpsycho.com <-Web games!
FordGT90Concept Apr 12, 2007, 10:43pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
...Gaming? Dual sockets hinders gaming more than it helps. Also, server motherboards (dual socket) dedicate all their pipes to PCI-X, not PCIe or PCI. There is also no Clovertown capable motherboards out there that can run SLI (only Intel makes the Northbridges).

I'd go with a Kentsfield processor and normal DDR2 DIMMs in a NVIDIA 590 or 580 SLI powered motherboard.

And yes, Creative is pretty much the dominant force in gaming, positional audio (EAX anyone?).


Edit: BTW, the board I linked does have two PCIe x16 slots but the second one is only wired for x4 performance.

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BoT Apr 12, 2007, 11:52pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
like many already hinted here, i would also reconsider the g.skilll.
it certainly good ram and i would recommand it as i use it myself but i wouldn't put them in
a system that i build for someone.

also, for your first raid set 0's i think 3 disks would be plenty. running a raid0 with more then
3 disks becomes pretty pointless.

if you can, i would wait for the tera drives, however, they won't be out for a while. they
before release that they will be for oem only for a while
i also would go raid5 here, i assume it's the storage set

edit: also make sure not only that it can run sli but that the cards fit. looks to me like one
of the heatsinks could be in the way.

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Greg M Apr 12, 2007, 11:55pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
All right... so I'm going to have to go back to my original build... but change up the hard drives a bit.

I'm thinking about going with ProtoCase for the case. Complete and total customization :)

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FX-55, 2x 1GB GSkill, X1800XT (512MB), 2x250GB RAID-0, DFI SLI-D
http://www.gandmpc.com <-My 'project'
http://www.knownpsycho.com <-Web games!
FordGT90Concept Apr 13, 2007, 12:39am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
If for some reason you want to stick with the Xeons, get 1U Active instead of 2U Passive. Passive requires ducted airflow over the heatsinks where Active includes a fan.

I can't stress enough that the 5000 series of Intel chipsets do not support SLI and may not even support Crossfire.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Apr 13, 2007, 01:13am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
you may want to switch the sound card to another Model, BlueGears or certain Auzentech boards.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
phil Apr 13, 2007, 03:12pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Yet another "Rate this build" type thingy...
.. you know that you can't use that g.skill right?

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can't access HWA unless I use a proxy... lol

pfft ..f**k that! (almost sounds like work)

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