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Chris McGee Aug 02, 2007, 12:08pm EDT Report Abuse
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070717-microsoft-patent...stems.html

Let's see adaware try and quarantine your entire operating system :).

Seriously, I hate this crap. I just want these companies to get the idea that my computer is not a vehicle for them to try and sell me things and that the fact my pc is hooked up to the net does not make all my stuff public domain.

Someone needs to beat into their heads the idea that an individuals right to privacy overrides their desire to make money.


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CrAsHnBuRnXp Aug 02, 2007, 12:32pm EDT Report Abuse
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If this is indeed true, I will make the move to Linux regardless. I dont care how long it takes me to learn the OS. How in the blue hell does Microsoft think this is a good idea in the first place? Last I checked, they had an anti-spyware app too. This is complete bulls**t.

_MD_ Aug 02, 2007, 12:40pm EDT Report Abuse
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oh lord... save us... :(
This is totally disturbing piece of news... They say it was filed back in 2006, I wonder if vista has it implemented already... (or SP1 for that matter)

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FingerMeElmo87 Aug 02, 2007, 01:03pm EDT Report Abuse
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theres no way in hell this could go down. it invades the individuals privacy so bad that they would have to get your permission to do use it. even then, who would be dumb enough to agree to this bull. i agree with MARK, i dont care if i dont know sh*t about linux, i would abandon windows so unbelieveable fast, i would break the sound barrier in the process.

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Brandon DeCoppel Aug 02, 2007, 01:16pm EDT Report Abuse
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Good thing there are alternatives.... like Linspire!

Then I wouldn't need to learn anything... keke :D

What a dumbass move IMO.

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john albrich Aug 02, 2007, 02:08pm EDT Report Abuse
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I think what Microsoft is actually pursuing here, is the ability to obtain license fees from just about any "context sensitive " adware, regardless of the supplier.

In other words, you want to display an ad on a computer?...You've got to pay Microsoft for the privilege. Broadly interpreted, this could even impact such things as proposed "smart" appliances like the refrigerator that tells you when you need to buy more milk.

Never mind that context sensitive adware already existed prior to the patent application. MS will argue that they add sufficient functionality as to warrant another patent.

As far as I'm concerned, this is an obvious implementation of existing technology and should not have a patent.

Chris McGee Aug 02, 2007, 02:39pm EDT Report Abuse
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FingerMeElmo87 said:
theres no way in hell this could go down. it invades the individuals privacy so bad that they would have to get your permission to do use it. even then, who would be dumb enough to agree to this bull.


I would think they'd either just put it in the EULA which nobody reads anyway or maybe have a popup box or checkmark amongst the setup boxes the first time you run windows. You, Mark and probably everyone else on HWA wouldn't run it but there'd be millions that would, either through ignorance of the purpose or just naturally clicking OK and Yes to everything that pops up from Windows.

Mike L. Aug 02, 2007, 03:07pm EDT Report Abuse
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FingerMeElmo87 said:
i dont care if i dont know sh*t about linux, i would abandon windows so unbelieveable fast, i would break the sound barrier in the process.


Aww man, that actually made me laugh. Funny stuff.

On a more serious note, this is some real nonsense; honestly. Part of the reason why I hardly even watch TV anymore is because of all the 'ads' - I'm sick of these retarded commercials you see on TV everyday. Not to mention, have they forgotten that the computer is a personal item? Hence the name, PC: Personal Computer. Looks like it won't be so personal anymore. :(

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john albrich Aug 04, 2007, 01:39am EDT Report Abuse
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On a more serious note, this is some real nonsense; honestly. Part of the reason why I hardly even watch TV anymore is because of all the 'ads' - I'm sick of these retarded commercials you see on TV everyday.


You're such a bad corporate citizen. Tsk...tsk...tsk.

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FordGT90Concept Aug 04, 2007, 08:36am EDT Report Abuse
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Mark Allen said:
If this is indeed true, I will make the move to Linux regardless. I dont care how long it takes me to learn the OS. How in the blue hell does Microsoft think this is a good idea in the first place? Last I checked, they had an anti-spyware app too. This is complete bulls**t.

I'm guessing they want to own the rights so if anyone else tries it, they have to pony up to Microsoft. In any case, such software probably wouldn't take much more than an port block or disabled service to stop. ;)

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Carl Martin Aug 04, 2007, 08:38am EDT Report Abuse
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_MD_ said:
oh lord... save us... :(
This is totally disturbing piece of news... They say it was filed back in 2006, I wonder if vista has it implemented already... (or SP1 for that matter)

Perhaps they have, starting with the new "free" version of MS Works which will be paid for by advertising included in the program. http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201202498

Carl


Beavis Khan Aug 04, 2007, 10:01am EDT Report Abuse
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This is freedom to innovate at it's finest here, folks.

My guess is in another 15-20 years or so, the only way any real money will be made is in advertising or moneylending. Everything else will exist to serve those two ends.

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Hans Moleman Aug 04, 2007, 10:31am EDT Report Abuse
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I never imagined Microsoft could screw up so bad that I would move to Linux, but there you go. The worst part is, this will eventually be seen as normal just like redundant taxes on cars, homes, and death taxes. Sure those are in violation of the law, but certain corporations and government entities are well above the law.

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leigh pauls Aug 04, 2007, 11:45am EDT Report Abuse
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I would be willing to bet that a system like this already exists in xp, but they just never decided to patent the idea until now.

These things are already in proprietary software all over the place. have you bought an EA published game lately? Anyone who bought battlefield 2142 was greeted with a nice "If you install this, we will monitor your computer" disclaimer. Anyone who knows how Google works is aware that they have enough information on your internet use that when you log on, within a matter of minutes t can tell who you are, and what you feel like doing in that session. (ever notice why Google ads tend to be an expensive version of what you are looking to do?)

You can basically assume that anything that you pay for nowadays will be sending your personal data back to the mother server to "better serve your needs", so save some money and get Linux.

SuPeR Xp Aug 04, 2007, 02:34pm EDT Report Abuse
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Hans Moleman Aug 04, 2007, 06:05pm EDT Report Abuse
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ian elliott Aug 04, 2007, 07:21pm EDT Report Abuse
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adam Aug 04, 2007, 07:36pm EDT Report Abuse
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lol O ya that will go over well. Call this a hunch but that would be a sure fire way to kill there reputation FOR EVER! This would be political suicide on there part. I can see why they do it. Google is the information king in the world. this would give MS the edge they have needed to push past them but would cost them billions of future sales in the process.

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SuPeR Xp Aug 04, 2007, 07:50pm EDT Report Abuse
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Well, this is not allowed in Canada, so I don't know what MS is smoking.

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john albrich Aug 05, 2007, 03:03am EDT Report Abuse
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FordGT90Concept said
I'm guessing they want to own the rights so if anyone else tries it, they have to pony up to Microsoft. In any case, such software probably wouldn't take much more than an port block or disabled service to stop.
Yup, that's what I said earlier. If the software was smart, it would require that the ads be time-stamped or in some other manner authenticated and if there were no updates then it would be prevented from running until it downloaded new ads. Any blocker would have to do some sort of spoofing or eliminate the check altogether. And, by the way Microsoft, if you haven't already patented that idea you can't patent it now as it's in the public domain.Of course, what happens if you don't use the internet on that particular computer? You'd end up with unhappy customers.Damned if you do, damned if you don't (use the internet)

I wouldn't be surprised to see a sentence in the license agreements that says something like, "I agree that I will read every word of every ad that is displayed on the computer while running said program." Microsoft could even require a camera be attached to confirm (by watching eye movements) that you do. (and MS, that idea is now in the public domain too...sorry, no patent for you!!!)
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leigh pauls said
I would be willing to bet that a system like this already exists in xp, but they just never decided to patent the idea until now.
If it has, then their window to patent in the U.S. has passed. You have a year to patent from the date of first public exposure. In many other countries you don't have any window at all, so their "rights" would be forfeit there as well.

leigh pauls said
These things are already in proprietary software all over the place. have you bought an EA published game lately? Anyone who bought battlefield 2142 was greeted with a nice "If you install this, we will monitor your computer" disclaimer. Anyone who knows how Google works is aware that they have enough information on your internet use that when you log on, within a matter of minutes t can tell who you are, and what you feel like doing in that session. (ever notice why Google ads tend to be an expensive version of what you are looking to do?)
That's more info beyond what I claimed that shows this technology already exists. IF MS receives a base patent on it then something is really wrong with the US Patents and Trademarks Office.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Aug 05, 2007, 03:09am EDT Report Abuse
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i swear MS owned Doubleclick

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