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Dec 10, 2007, 02:40pm EST Report Abuse
So I'm looking at a budget upgrade here ... from a 939 Athlon 64 3200+ Venice (2.0GHz stock, 2.6 oc) to ... a dual-core 939 CPU, before it finally dies off and I can't find one. :X

Newegg has 5 939 dual-cores left ... three X2s and two Opterons. They don't sell the Opteron 165 anymore, and every site I've found it on for a decent price (< $125) either is out of stock or charges exorbitant shipping fees (eg. ~35-50 clams). I'd buy the 165 for sure if I could find it on a reputable site, in stock, and with low or at least decent shipping charges.

How much performance difference would I see doing various activities (3D editing, gaming, video encoding, surfing for pornography) between a dual-core Opteron and an X2 running at the same clock speed?

And how about those X2s? Who wins between Manchester and Toledo? I see the cache sizes are different, but is that where the differences end? :P

Thanks HWA.


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Mark Dec 10, 2007, 02:49pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
All I know is that my 3800+x2 toledo literally blew away my 3000+ venice, I've seen a HUGE improvement in games and everything else in that matter. It was the best $55 I spent on a processor. :)

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Dec 10, 2007, 03:03pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
That's good to hear Mark, I may well be getting an X2, in the interest of saving money. How cool does she run, in comparison to Venice?

Mark Dec 10, 2007, 03:13pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
4 degrees Farenheight over

Venice - 91 degrees F (idle) 98 (load)

Toledo - 94 degrees F (idle) 100 (load)


EDIT: Using a $15 heatsink :)

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adam Dec 10, 2007, 04:00pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
The toledo was one hell of a good overclocker.

AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Toledo 2.0GHz Socket 939 Processor Model ADA3800DAA5CD - OEM I reckon this for $63.00 is your best bet. I use to have one and I know first hand it will hit 2.75 Ghz easy on just air no problem.

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Dec 10, 2007, 04:03pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
Nice nice guys, this is what I like to hear. Considering I paid about $120 for my Venice back in the day, $63 isn't bad at all. :) I may be ordering that tonight. I'd love to spring for the Opteron 180 on Newegg, but for more than $100 more, it's just not worth it ... and I wanted to get another 2GB of memory. :P

I would then be running 4GB of DDR400 at or around DDR400, as opposed to now running 2GB of DDR500 at DDR520 ... I still suppose even at DDR400, 4GB would be a significant improvement over 2GB?

Also, the memory that I have now (G.SKILL F1-4000USU2-2GBHZ) ... I would like to buy another 2GB of it rather than buying a 4GB of DDR400 and then selling my G.SKILL ... does anybody know where I can buy another 2GB of it? I can't find it anywhere ... :(

Beavis Khan Dec 10, 2007, 04:53pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
McFly said:
I would then be running 4GB of DDR400 at or around DDR400, as opposed to now running 2GB of DDR500 at DDR520 ... I still suppose even at DDR400, 4GB would be a significant improvement over 2GB?


Depends what you're doing, of course, but my guess is 4GB isn't going to make much difference in gaming, encoding, or porn. 3D editing, perhaps. Given the retarded prices for DDR these days, I'd probably use the money to start your replacement rig piggy bank instead :) The X2 is gonna be way better bang for the buck regardless.

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mothow Dec 10, 2007, 04:57pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
Good Luck Finding G Skill PC4000HZ's brand new.Its a shame to because i just sold a set for $60.Oh yeah and get the X2 3800+ Toledo.It was my Favorite of all the AMD 64's i had and that was quite a few..lol

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Dec 10, 2007, 05:10pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
OK, so the Toledo is in ... damn Mothow, I wish I had asked before, $60 for another set would have made my day. :( If you see/know anybody who still has a set and is willing to part with it, lemme know. :P

So I may just end up sticking with the 2GB of DDR500 I have now (unless I can magically find another set, used or otherwise). I generally have a lot of programs open, which, on top of Vista, adds up. Right now I have 1.2GB used. Sometimes I have a couple of VMware OS's up as well ... so maybe 4GB would be worth it. I'd just really like to get another set of the G.SKILL DDR500 and not have to fux0r around with getting a full 4GB of new mem and then having to sell what I have now. :(

mothow Dec 10, 2007, 05:44pm EST Report Abuse
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McFly said:
OK, so the Toledo is in ... damn Mothow, I wish I had asked before, $60 for another set would have made my day. :( If you see/know anybody who still has a set and is willing to part with it, lemme know. :P

So I may just end up sticking with the 2GB of DDR500 I have now (unless I can magically find another set, used or otherwise). I generally have a lot of programs open, which, on top of Vista, adds up. Right now I have 1.2GB used. Sometimes I have a couple of VMware OS's up as well ... so maybe 4GB would be worth it. I'd just really like to get another set of the G.SKILL DDR500 and not have to fux0r around with getting a full 4GB of new mem and then having to sell what I have now. :(


Will do Mcfly.Tip Cruise the other forums for good deals i do it all the time.only bad thing is some forums require 100 posts before you can use the for sale adds

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Beavis Khan Dec 10, 2007, 06:41pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
McFly said:
Sometimes I have a couple of VMware OS's up as well ... so maybe 4GB would be worth it.


Yeah, all bets are off with VMWare...I eat through 2GB easily :/ If DHL hadn't stolen my 2 x 1GB kit I might have 4GB by now but meh, just gonna wait for a new build now I think. Lots of people moving to new sockets now, so I think Mothow has good advice...gotta be someone upgrading from that RAM to 775/AM2!

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Reason Dec 28, 2007, 02:03am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
What did you end up getting? I'm in the same boat as you, although I'm not looking to OC and my 3800+ is still pretty decent for my needs. I missed the 4200+ X2 I had been eyeing at Newegg by like, one pay period and now I'm looking at ~$105 for BIN from ebay. ech.

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Greg M Dec 28, 2007, 12:10pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
Agreed... I need to pick up a new CPU at the very least... the FX-55 is showing its age. However, I'll probably save my money and buy a whole new system in 6-12 months (you know, right before I head off to college ;))

The Core 2's are really cheap... but I figure if I am going to swap out ALL of my components, I might as well get a quad core or better.

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Dec 28, 2007, 01:11pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
I missed the window for a Toledo (at least on Newegg, I could have looked elsewhere) ...

I have 2GB of memory now, and I'd really like to have 4GB, since Vista can be a hog and I like to have VMware running Debian most of the time. DDR prices are SOOOO much more expensive than DDR2, you can get 4GB of DDR2-800 for under $80! 4GB of DDR will cost you more than twice as much. I wasn't happy about that, and I can't find another 2GB of the memory I have now.

For Christmas, I recieved an early present from Santy Claus: seems Santa was upgrading from AM2 to a Core2Quad, and gave me his old Socket AM2 motherboard ... an Asus M2N-E nForce 570 Ultra. For that price of free, I figured it would be best to use it, get an AM2 Athlon X2, and the 4GB of DDR2 I had been eying. I still haven't ordered yet, though.

Newegg only has three 939 processors left now ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&...Socket+939

One X2 and two Opterons. The X2 is only $39.99, which isn't bad at all (only has 2x256K of L2 cache though).

FordGT90Concept Dec 28, 2007, 01:20pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
I'm in the same boat with a 4000+ San Diego. The 4800+ (dual-core equivalent) is going for $400+ and there's no way I'm going to spend that much money on two year old equipment; therefore, I have come to a conclusion that I will wait for Nehalem (it has to be considering it has been worked on for upwards of 7-8 years) and DDR3 to go mainstream (2009 most likely). I may have to get a new video card to settle me throughout 2008 though.

Edit: that Opteron 185 is quite tempting...

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Dec 28, 2007, 01:24pm EST Report Abuse
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Yeah, esspecially upgrading the DDR memory is such a freaking pain with those prices. And with the low selection of 939 dual-cores, it's not easy. :(

FordGT90Concept Dec 29, 2007, 12:45pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off ...
I got the Opteron 180 off of Newegg for $170. It really came down to upgrade now or buy all new later. Since 2008 is looking to be relatively quiet, I opted for the former.

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Jan 24, 2008, 02:04am EST Report Abuse
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Glad you got a dual-core, Ford. :)

Turns out the AM2 board I got is dead :( ... it worked when it left the North Pole, but no longer ... I may be able to RMA it or send it in for warranty repair, but for now ... screw it. :P If I get a working replacement I may just sell it.

So ... I was able to get a 939 X2 3800+ Toledo (OC'ed great from 2.0 to 2.6, may try for 2.8 later) for about 50 clams. :cool: It's no Opteron, but it's still nice.

So I was looking today for another 2GB of my sexy G.SKILL DDR500 and ... lookie here!
http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?satitle=G.SKILL+PC4000

Woo hoo!

Jan 26, 2008, 10:59pm EST Report Abuse
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Mark Curtis Dec 10, 2007, 11:49am PST
All I know is that my 3800+x2 toledo literally blew away my 3000+ venice, I've seen a HUGE improvement in games and everything else in that matter. It was the best $55 I spent on a processor. :)

How far were you able to overclock that?

So I got the old gal to 2.80GHz ... 280x10, 1.375V, LDTx3, with a divider keeping my memory at DDR500.

Great stuff. Beats the hell out of my Venice. :) Looks like I can get a little longer out of 939.

Jan 27, 2008, 03:01pm EST Report Abuse
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woot, 12 hours on Orthos just finished. :cool:

Mark Jan 28, 2008, 07:31am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Going dual-core before 939 finally dies off
I jumped it up to 2.6 right off the bat just to see what it could do, but after that I let it at stock since I don't overclock my processors since it does everything I want it to do stock ;)


BTW anyone have a recomendation for a temperature montoring program? My version of everest only shows the temp for 1 core.

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