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Sean Costello Jan 04, 2008, 02:43pm EST Report Abuse
Well instead of people making multiple topics if they ever would heres the one official thread.

Feel free to discuss anything about the Presidential race.


I'll start:

Who do you think is going to win the New Hampshire Primarys for each side?

Me: Mitt Romney- Republican
Hilary Clinton (ugh)- Democratic


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Beavis Khan Jan 04, 2008, 03:01pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Official US Presidential Race Thread
A couple of random thoughts:

Mike f**king Huckabee? He seems like the obvious choice for the Howard Dean of 2008. Get that YEAAHAHARRHRHRHRGGHGHGH speech out of the way already, wouldya buddy?

I would not be surprised if Hillary Clinton wins NH - I don't see too many people there backing either Obama or Edwards.

If Mitt Romney wins NH, I will know for absolute certain that the people of NH have totally lost their minds. They were close enough to him in MA to know what his real stripes look like, and that he will say and do anything to get elected.

And since I'm feeling particularly punchy on this fine Friday afternoon, one more thought: the only people that would not be a total disaster as President, AND who are also generating anything higher than niche support are John McCain, and (you love it Sean, don't lie) Hillary Clinton. I give Obama an honorable mention on the non-disaster front solely because he seems to be able to delegate authority to people who are good at what they do rather than being good at agreeing with the boss, but honestly don't believe he has any chance of getting elected (as president, anyway). All in all, it's a pretty grim year to be an American voter in my estimation...


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Adam Kolak Jan 04, 2008, 04:14pm EST Report Abuse
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I can see this thread getting way out of hand, so please keep it clean and fair. Everyone on here has their own opinions and your allowed to share your own opinion. Just please don't insult anyone for having a different opinion than your own. So this is just a warning to tell everyone to keep this debate mature and open minded.

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FordGT90Concept Jan 04, 2008, 04:15pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Official US Presidential Race Thread
Sean Costello said:
Who do you think is going to win the New Hampshire Primarys for each side?

R-McCain
D-Obama

Huckabee only stands a chance in states where there is a strong Evangelical presence (e.g. Iowa). Romney is attempting to buy the election with excessive advertising. Huckabee and McCain said they are going to try to keep things positive hence, few replies to Romney's attack ads (could hurt though like Swiftvets and Kerry in 2004).

This could get interesting on the republican side. The democratic side will pretty much be decided after New Hampshire if Obama gets it.

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Beavis Khan Jan 04, 2008, 04:46pm EST Report Abuse
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FordGT90Concept said:
The democratic side will pretty much be decided after New Hampshire if Obama gets it.


You might just be right about that (but I wouldn't bet the farm on it by any means). Which reminds me of another random thought: the primary system is a terrible thing unless you're the Democratic or Republican party. It's a big fat loser for independent/small party candidates, and the American voters in general.

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Chris McGee Jan 04, 2008, 04:47pm EST Report Abuse
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Any of you guys supporting Ron Paul? He looks like a pretty good guy from this side of the pond.

Sean Costello Jan 04, 2008, 05:16pm EST Report Abuse
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I dont think Ron Paul is going to be president, even though i know a lot of the younger folk like him he just hasnt been high on the polls at all.

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Chris McGee Jan 04, 2008, 07:53pm EST Report Abuse
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He seems to be the best candidate by a country mile though. Of the candidates i've seen he's the only one who hasn't been bought already.

Stephen Duckworth Jan 04, 2008, 07:54pm EST Report Abuse
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Man, I have no idea whats going on anymore since The Daily Show went off the air :(

Adam Kolak Jan 04, 2008, 08:57pm EST Report Abuse
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I am not sure of the accuracy of this website, but you might find it interesting, you can see who gets how much money and where they get it from. This is for the 3rd Quarter of 2007, but I expect they will post 4th Quarter donations for the candidates soon once they tally up everything.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/index.asp?cycle=2008

The top guys seemed to be supported by big investment firms and banks. I found it interesting that Paul's top contributor was Google.

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Chris McGee Jan 04, 2008, 09:35pm EST Report Abuse
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Adam Kolak said:
The top guys seemed to be supported by big investment firms and banks. I found it interesting that Paul's top contributor was Google.


Far be it from me as a (unwillingly) British citizen to comment on your political affairs but thats**t is ruining your country. How you can have a democratic process when the candidtates are openly in the pocket of big biusiness defies belief.

meh, anyway, here's some balance:

http://www.mediafire.com/?12pjxp0c1m4



Paul Douglass Jan 04, 2008, 09:55pm EST Report Abuse
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I am way on the Democratic side of the fence, but McCain just looks like such a stand-up guy. Look at Wikipedia article and all of his "controversial remarks" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mccain#Cultural_and_political_image ) - man, I wish more people would just say what's on their mind and stop hiding behind their PR writers.

Surviving 5+ years as a POW certainly beats an easy stint by certain current President.

"Political correctness" is out of hand. Censorship is out of hand. Religious conservatism is out of hand. Who the hell do I vote for?!

A_Pickle Jan 04, 2008, 10:03pm EST Report Abuse
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Sean Costello
I dont think Ron Paul is going to be president, even though i know a lot of the younger folk like him he just hasnt been high on the polls at all.


I can see why you'd say that... but, if you agree with him, the fact that "he might not be president" is no reason not to support him through your vote.

Frankly... I think we need him. He's honest, and his House voting record is consistent with the views that he's campaigning on. He has never voted "yes" on those pesky, annual Congressional pay-raises. He has never voted on a restriction on the citizens right to a firearm. He voted against the Iraq war. He'd cut US spending, he'd cut international "meddling," and he'd

Hillary and Obama? They'll waste no time slinging garbage at Bush and the current administration for the Iraq War... but they BOTH voted for it. hen Tim Russert on Meet the Press asked "Do you believe we could have disarmament, without regime change?"

Hillary's response: "I doubt it."

In the same interview, she is quoted to have said, "I can support the President [Bush], I can support an action against Saddam Hussein because I think it's in the long-term interests of our national security."

Adam Kolak
The top guys seemed to be supported by big investment firms and banks. I found it interesting that Paul's top contributor was Google.


And besides that, a vast amount of Ron Paul's financial support has come from individuals in sub-$200 donations. What does that say...?

...this man is guided by the people, for the people, not the companies...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN5_IyHMC4Y

Paul Douglass
5+ years as a POW certainly beats National Guard stint by certain someone.


Sir, have you served?

Chris McGee Jan 04, 2008, 10:05pm EST Report Abuse
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Adam Kolak said:
That file has some sort of DRM. I can't open it.


Should be DRM free now (30 minutes to kill DRM from a clean windows install, is it even worth it?).

Chris McGee Jan 04, 2008, 10:12pm EST Report Abuse
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A_Pickle said:
I can see why you'd say that... but, if you agree with him, the fact that "he might not be president" is no reason not to support him through your vote.

Frankly... I think we need him. He's honest, and his House voting record is consistent with the views that he's campaigning on. He has never voted "yes" on those pesky, annual Congressional pay-raises. He has never voted on a restriction on the citizens right to a firearm. He voted against the Iraq war. He'd cut US spending, he'd cut international "meddling," and he'd

Hillary and Obama? They'll waste no time slinging garbage at Bush and the current administration for the Iraq War... but they BOTH voted for it. hen Tim Russert on Meet the Press asked "Do you believe we could have disarmament, without regime change?"

Hillary's response: "I doubt it."

In the same interview, she is quoted to have said, "I can support the President [Bush], I can support an action against Saddam Hussein because I think it's in the long-term interests of our national security."


I have to agree with you 100% there, Pickle. Ron Paul seems to me to be a good man who stands up for his beliefs. Hillary and Obama remind me of every other gutter politician with a lust for power.

A_Pickle Jan 04, 2008, 10:16pm EST Report Abuse
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Chris McGee
I have to agree with you 100% there, Pickle. Ron Paul seems to me to be a good man who stands up for his beliefs. Hillary and Obama remind me of every other gutter politician with a lust for power.


And, you know... they may not be. I think it's way too easy for all of us to forget that politicians, be they Presidents or State Legislators... are human beings. It's just that... if you want my vote... be honest. Ron Paul has that.

Chris McGee Jan 04, 2008, 10:20pm EST Report Abuse
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A_Pickle said:
[I think it's way too easy for all of us to forget that politicians, be they Presidents or State Legislators... are human beings.


They are that, with all that entails. Some are easily seducted by power, some by money, a brave few have the guts to stand up and say what they believe.

Sean Costello Jan 04, 2008, 10:29pm EST Report Abuse
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A_Pickle said:

Sir, have you served?


I dont think he means that in a derogatory way, he's just saying compared to the other canadaites that brag about being in the military for so long but never seeing combat and that McCaine being a POW for over 5 years in Vietnam almost dwarfs their military background.

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Adam Kolak Jan 04, 2008, 10:34pm EST Report Abuse
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A_Pickle said:

Hillary and Obama? They'll waste no time slinging garbage at Bush and the current administration for the Iraq War... but they BOTH voted for it. hen Tim Russert on Meet the Press asked "Do you believe we could have disarmament, without regime change?"

Hillary and Edwards voted for it in the beginning. Obama, like Paul, was against it from the beginning.

A_Pickle said:

And besides that, a vast amount of Ron Paul's financial support has come from individuals in sub-$200 donations. What does that say...?

...this man is guided by the people, for the people, not the companies...?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN5_IyHMC4Y

I wasn't saying that Ron Paul getting donations from Google was necessarily a bad thing, I consider it to be less of a sell out then getting money from Time Warner, banks, and big investment firms like Romney, Clinton, etc. And for your information, I have a Ron Paul "Revolution" sign displayed in the back window of my car.


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Paul Douglass Jan 04, 2008, 10:37pm EST Report Abuse
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Sean Costello said:
A_Pickle said:

Sir, have you served?


I dont think he means that in a derogatory way, he's just saying compared to the other canadaites that brag about being in the military for so long but never seeing combat and that McCaine being a POW for over 5 years in Vietnam almost dwarfs their military background.

That's exactly what I meant.

McCain and his family looks quite accomplished as far as serving this country.

To answer your original question though, I haven't, and I probably would never consider to voluntarily join the military. On the other hand, I respect the people who do.

A_Pickle Jan 04, 2008, 11:50pm EST Report Abuse
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Well, I'm just saying. I mean, I'm not saying that what McCain went through wasn't a great deal more than most military personnel ever have to go through, (and that includes Bush with his relatively un-eventful National Guard service, no question)... but...

...I dunno. I guess I hear a lot of "Bush only served in the National Guard," which... to me, as a Guardsman... is almost offensive. I'm not trying to implicate you in trying to insult Bush (in that fashion, anyways -- he's certainly an insultable person in other manners)...

But anyways.

I do like McCain's stance on the War in Iraq. :)


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