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mothow Jan 14, 2008, 06:38pm EST Report Abuse
I sold my backup rig today and last night i was fixing and tweaking everything so my backup rig would run as sweet as possible for its new owner.Well with my E6420 @3.2ghz and my 8800GTS 320mb Crysis was running butter smoothe.But on my Quad core setup the game skips and freezes for a few seconds etc.I thinking the dual cores must be better for Crysis..You guys with quads how does Crysis run on your rigs?.I cant believe that my 8800GTS 320mb with my Dual core can run Crysis better with the same settings noway as my Quad at the same speed as the E6420 and the 8800GTS 512mb stock speeds just like the 320mb 8800GTS and same drivers.


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CrAsHnBuRnXp Jan 14, 2008, 06:54pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Crysis is supposed to run better with quads. I would try uninstalling and reinstalling the video drivers again.

I personally dont play Crysis and dont plan on it.

mothow Jan 14, 2008, 06:56pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Yeah i dont like the game but use it as a gauge to help see how well my PC is running.But seriously my Dual core was running way better.I totally forgot to send the Fraps screen shots and FSP/min/max to my PC

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Gerritt Jan 14, 2008, 09:19pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Mothow,

Did you install the Crysis 1.1 Performance patch?
If you did, all I can say is that there is significant overhead associated with handling threads across multiple processors, and that if you have a Quad with the same MHz rating, then mayhap you are seeing the thread switching delays as causing glitches.

On the inCrysis forum, most users prefer AMD over Intel, thus pointing to the possibility that it actually runs better on a dual vs quad core.

It doesn't look like you are relying on the Steam Engine, but it is single thread, even if the game is multithread.

If you are running a multi-monitor setup, I'd open up task manager (or any other favored monitoring utility) on the secondary screen and look at the core saturation/utilization to see if Crysis is threading across the multiple cores correctly.

Gerritt

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G. G. Jan 15, 2008, 10:37am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Mot,

For some reason I think it may be your mb..... its just a gut feeling.... but does not mean it is .... thats for sure...


BUT.................... with that out of the way....

Give this a try......


To me... there should be no difference between a dual core and quad core at the same speed with everything else being equal and only if the application taking advantage of a single, dual, or some plus amount of cores......

It is said that you can and should be able to "disable" individual cores.... Try disabling two cores, specifically two cores on one die so as you dont have two different cores across the FSB, to see if there is any difference in game play with Crysis.

If your game play with two core disabled is better or as like with your dual core system, then I would think it would be the application's at fault. If the game only takes advantage of only two cores...... there may be some inefficiency when this particular game is run on a system with more than two cores.

Remember there was an advertisement from Crytek prior to the game release that this game runs best on a 4 core system???? Well, maybe the game is not quite there yet to take advantage of a 4 core system....... you know... putting the carriage before the horse kinda thing......


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Andres Jan 15, 2008, 11:27am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Crysis will particularly benefit from the Quad Core for Physics calculations.
Screw that physics setting to the max and enjoy the vegetation folding away at your passage...

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mothow Jan 15, 2008, 04:25pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Im gonna try the patch.I think i did patch the dual core systems game but not the quads...And all you guys have some pretty good ideas ill try them alll

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SuPeR Xp Jan 16, 2008, 01:12am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
I would go for Quad-Core. More games should be designed to take advantage of them in the near future.

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Reason Jan 16, 2008, 05:16am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Reading the thread ftw!

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Bitmap Jan 16, 2008, 05:26am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Reason said:
Reading the thread ftw!

The fact that your name is Reason makes that perfect. Lol.

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Rooin Jan 16, 2008, 02:57pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Bobby said:
Reason said:
Reading the thread ftw!

The fact that your name is Reason makes that perfect. Lol.



I think he was talking about Super's comment.

The thread really isnt about choosing one or the other, its about why his Dual Core runs the game better then his Quad core....


I think I might actually break down an buy crysis now. You can only play the Demo so many times before it doesn't full fill the need...

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Bitmap Jan 16, 2008, 07:28pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Soul1601 said:
Bobby said:
Reason said:
Reading the thread ftw!

The fact that your name is Reason makes that perfect. Lol.

I think he was talking about Super's comment.

I know. :)

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Gerritt Jan 16, 2008, 09:57pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
The thread started out as quad vs dual core for gaming.
I've seen a couple of post stating that quad is better.
I'd like to see some indication as to how that conclusion was reached.
Theoreticaly the quads should excel, but I'm not seeing any qualified data to support this.
Could anyone give me some information as to how and why?
I know that the present Intel offerings are faster, and are quad core, but insofar as Crysis, or any other multi-threaded game, do the Intels give a better throughput?

I've not seen any real information either way.

Gerritt

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ian elliott Jan 21, 2008, 11:03am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Multi-Core Confrontation: Core 2 Quad Q6600 vs. Core 2 Duo E6850
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q6600.html

Quad core looks the better buy if you overclock.

Jan 21, 2008, 12:50pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
That's a good read.

mothow Jan 21, 2008, 05:14pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
ian elliott said:
Multi-Core Confrontation: Core 2 Quad Q6600 vs. Core 2 Duo E6850
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2quad-q6600.html

Quad core looks the better buy if you overclock.

Read that a while back

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Rory Witham Jan 21, 2008, 07:19pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Umm actually the Q6600 isnt all that great, I was runnign bech tests on some of the systems that I designed for this year and took a good look at the Q6600.

the 68-- quad extreme is slightly different acording to reference performance marks.

Its something to do with the CPU interfaces that mean that they slow them selves down rather than clock directly as we would exspect with single cores. Dual cores have less data to traverse with each other thus they do slow themselves down so much.

There was a little bit of difference with some tests, but the prime for gaming went to the 68-- E Quad ( sorry cant remember the name of it)

with the link in mind, you can see the CPU test show about a 10% difference in performance and the rest is slower.

A few games that are designed with quad cores are that much 'faster' same with common software designed for more 'robust use' of the CPU and multi cores.
The QUads are certainly good for all types of encoding but gaming isnt so hot. I think that this is down to the software and not the processor.

In gaming there is a 4-8 FPS difference and they are high enough not to even make a considerate difference.. My rule is that if you can play on a good rez and max eye candy, if it dosent hit 30 FPS then its good - but then this can be down to many other factors. (graphics, drive array type/layout, RAM etc)

Gernally speaking you would hope that a 2 core game would only access the two cores, it dosent and things dont really go to plan. The Quad (certain ones) may slow you down a little, but generally, if you have a quad then your computer will be good at other things you can do on your computer.

So to answer, its yes and know. but for all rounder performance get a high end Quad core. you wont see a lot of difference in games between dual and quad cores.

TO follow the creators comments. Q6600 with 4Gig and 1950Pro plays Crysis fine My TFT's are on Max rez and all setting are mid to high (mostly high's)


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Gerritt Jan 21, 2008, 09:30pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
The Xbits article is indeed a good read, though a few months (ancient) old.
However, I don't find the OC to 3.6GHz on the quad to be a viable one, even with that monster HSF they had installed. They mentioned the temps were high, and if you expand the view on the accompaning graphic you'd see that the temps on two of the cores was 86C!!!
That to me is an unacceptable tempurature unless I'm poaching an egg.

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ian elliott Jan 21, 2008, 09:44pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
Today it may be better to get a wolfdale dual core rather than a Q6600 for gaming. Just a thought.

Rory Witham Jan 21, 2008, 10:20pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Dual core vs Quad core for gaming
well I took a dump when I went to the dark Intel side and saw the processor temps.

My Q6600 is running at 3Ghz on stock cooler. it sits about 37 Oc idle! and goes to around 55-60 when gaming for a few hours.

They chug along well for what they are. I dont know how they got such high temps from clocking up to 3.6.. My system is rock solid at 3.ghz, I guess they must have had issues else where to get those sort of temps... No case fans, SMart fan on, of house heating on full for a few hours and the windwos shut thats the only way I can see it getting that high.
I may get a decent cooler on mine, but there didnt look like much need to add power for the cores. - mine run 1.26V which is fine... Adding more volts on a quad would cause massive seapeage surely..

I head the 6600 is the E6850 glued together and they are clocking to 3.8Ghz.. See what I mean that the cores slow themselves down.


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