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ian elliott Jan 31, 2008, 09:34am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 1 GB!!! this thing is a BEAST!!!
DsL.Dilbert said:

How?

The Q6600 TweakTown uses is overclocked from 2.40GHz to 3.00GHz thus increasing the FSB from 266MHz to 333MHz (1066MHz to 1333MHz quad-pumped), and the memory is also running at a higher frequency.

The chipset also does not really matter as only one PCI-E slot is being used and both chipsets are quite capable of having a single x16 PCI-E slot.

In fact, if there was even a remote chance of bottlenecking, it would be with FPSLabs setup.


I've already covered that Tweaktown had higher clock in one of my previous posts Dsl.Dilbert and give my explanation. If you have a better explanation then I'd love to here it. I assumed that it was down to the motherboard that Tweaktown use, an older motherboard and chipset than the one FPSLabs use. Certainly we see the reduced FPS in the Nvidia cards of the FPSLAPS bench. I suggested that Hardware sites should be using the lastest chipsets and DDR3 memory and use the faster Quad core perferable overclocked to further eliminate any possible bottleneck. Did you even read that though? I assume no as you can't even read a benchmark correctly due to your selective reading skills.

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Beavis Khan Jan 31, 2008, 09:42am EST Report Abuse
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ian elliott said:
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You assume way too much.

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ian elliott Jan 31, 2008, 09:48am EST Report Abuse
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Big Beavis said:
ian elliott said:
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You assume way too much.


Possibly. ;)

FingerMeElmo87 Jan 31, 2008, 12:32pm EST Report Abuse
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ian elliott said:
Did you even read that though? I assume no as you can't even read a benchmark correctly due to your selective reading skills.


damn dude

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Scumbag Blues Jan 31, 2008, 01:27pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 1 GB!!! this thing is a BEAST!!!
ian elliott said:
DsL.Dilbert said:

How?

The Q6600 TweakTown uses is overclocked from 2.40GHz to 3.00GHz thus increasing the FSB from 266MHz to 333MHz (1066MHz to 1333MHz quad-pumped), and the memory is also running at a higher frequency.

The chipset also does not really matter as only one PCI-E slot is being used and both chipsets are quite capable of having a single x16 PCI-E slot.

In fact, if there was even a remote chance of bottlenecking, it would be with FPSLabs setup.


I've already covered that Tweaktown had higher clock in one of my previous posts Dsl.Dilbert and give my explanation. If you have a better explanation then I'd love to here it. I assumed that it was down to the motherboard that Tweaktown use, an older motherboard and chipset than the one FPSLabs use. Certainly we see the reduced FPS in the Nvidia cards of the FPSLAPS bench. I suggested that Hardware sites should be using the lastest chipsets and DDR3 memory and use the faster Quad core perferable overclocked to further eliminate any possible bottleneck. Did you even read that though? I assume no as you can't even read a benchmark correctly due to your selective reading skills.


I have indeed read both reviews fully and I will reserve my judgment until I can compare with other reviews. However, you on the other hand have made far too many assumptions about hardware and presumptions about somebody you don't know.

There is also no need to become nasty. First, it makes you seem presumptuous and secondly, that statement is the kind of statement that starts flame wars. Please be a bit more mature than that. There is no need to slip in insults like that at the very end of your comment.

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ian elliott Jan 31, 2008, 02:04pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 1 GB!!! this thing is a BEAST!!!
It wasn't an insult, it was an observation. If you had have read my post you wouldn't have comback with Tweaktown was at 3Ghz as if you had made some enlightened revelation that I didn't know about but I knew that and had already posted about that already before you did. I don't want to get into a debate about this sort of thing though so please do read my posts because I find this sort of explaning myself to someone again and again because they weren't really listening rather a tad tedious.

Also to the other guy 'Shadow_Ops_Airman1' I would prefer if you would actually not try to call my name and say 'get the hint'. I would prefer you to quote where I said what you think I said and then your reply. Thank you.

Anyway argue amongst yourselves. I'm out of here.

Scumbag Blues Jan 31, 2008, 06:35pm EST Report Abuse
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ian elliott said:
It wasn't an insult, it was an observation. If you had have read my post you wouldn't have comback with Tweaktown was at 3Ghz as if you had made some enlightened revelation that I didn't know about but I knew that and had already posted about that already before you did. I don't want to get into a debate about this sort of thing though so please do read my posts because I find this sort of explaning myself to someone again and again because they weren't really listening rather a tad tedious.

Also to the other guy 'Shadow_Ops_Airman1' I would prefer if you would actually not try to call my name and say 'get the hint'. I would prefer you to quote where I said what you think I said and then your reply. Thank you.

Anyway argue amongst yourselves. I'm out of here.


I was asking how and listed the reason why I asked how. As a result, I am reserving judgement because assuming that a certain component on the computer is to blame is not good reasoning. You can make educated guesses, but that doesn't give a true answer. I already read all your posts and felt it was not necessary to regurgitate them back to you because I know for a fact you can read just fine.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 31, 2008, 08:41pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 1 GB!!! this thing is a BEAST!!!
Dear Ian, to restate the topic, you think the card is PCi express 2.0, it is not as per this Link

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/HD_3870_X2/4.html

go here for the info on the other chip

im sure eventually there will be SKUs that will be Fully PCI express 2.0 but they were looking at cost effectiveness of performance, currently Majority of users are on PCI express 1.1, also beyond the Point i believe only the high end motherboards have PCI e 2.0 at this moment in time.

Also another point Ian adjust your cocky attitude before you get kicked by a floating mod.

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Scumbag Blues Jan 31, 2008, 09:27pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 1 GB!!! this thing is a BEAST!!!
Hardware Canucks:

Test System and Setup
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4 GHz OC'd to 3.5Ghz
Motherboard: Asus Blitz Extreme [P35 Chipset]
Memory: 4GB Corsair Dominator DDR3 @ 1556Mhz
Disk Drive: Pioneer DVD Writer
Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 320GB SATA 300
Fans: 5X Yate Loon 120mm @ 1200RPM
Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate x64

ATI Catalyst 8.451.2-080 (HD3870 X2)
ATI Catalyst 8.1
Nvidia 169.25


Overclocker Cafe:

Test System and Setup
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo 6600 @ 2.4 GHz OC'd to 3.0 GHz (1.51V)
Motherboard: Asus P5N32-E SLi [680i Chipset]
Memory: 2 x 1GB OCZ Reaper PC2-6400 @ DDR2-867 4-3-3-15
Disk Drive: Generic 16x DVD-RW Drive
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar SE 250GB SATA 300
Power Supply Unit: Thermaltake Toughpower 1200W
Operating System: Windows XP Professional with all special packs installed
Cooling: Kingwin RVT 12025 D Cooler + Thermalright Chill Factor Thermal Paste

Unknown Drivers

FPSLABS:

Test System and Setup
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo Extreme QX6700 @ 2.66 GHz
Motherboard: Foxconn N68S7AA [680i Chipset]
Memory: 2 x 1GB G.Skill PC2-6400
Disk Drive: Lite-ON SHW160P6S05
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD2500KS 7200RPM
Power Supply Unit: Cooler Master Real Power Pro 850
Operating System: Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit
Cooling: Asus Silent Square Pro
Sound: Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic

nVidia ForceWare Version 169.01, AMD Vista Sample 8.45 RC4


TweakTown:

Test System & Setup
Processor: Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.4 GHz OC'd to 3.0 GHz [333MHz x 9]
Motherboard: Asus Blitz Extreme [P35 Chipset]
Memory: 2 x 1GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1066MHz 7-7-7-21
Disk Drive: N/A
Hard Drive: Hitachi 80GB 7200RPM SATA 300
Operating Systems: Microsoft Windows XP Professional SP2, Windows Vista
Cooling: Corsair Nautilus500 with Arctic Cooling MX-2 Thermal Compound

Catalyst 8.1 and Forceware 169.06


Benchmarks:

CRYSIS DX9:

Hardware Canucks Crysis Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2rtmvs
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, High Settings
Average FPS: 31.18

Overclocker Cafe Crysis Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/38twjg
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, High Settings
Average FPS: 33

FPSLABS Crysis Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/28afpn
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, High Settings
Average FPS: 21.2

CALL OF JUAREZ DX10:

Hardware Canucks Call of Juarez Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2rtmvs
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, Max Details
Average FPS: 42.7

FPSLABS Call of Juarez Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2vucyv
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, Max Details
Average FPS: 35.7

TweakTown Call of Juarez Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3y4lht
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, Max Details
Average FPS: 26.5

COMPANY OF HEROES DX10:

Hardware Canucks Company of Heroes Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2rtmvs
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, Max Details
Average FPS: 56.9

FPSLABS Company of Heroes Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/38twjg
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, Max Details
Average FPS: 43.2

TweakTown's Company of Heroes Benchmark: http://preview.tinyurl.com/3x4c8g
1600 x 1200, no FSAA, Max Details
Average FPS: 53

Note: I'll be adding more benchmarks and comparisons later. Please also note that some reviews may not have reviewed certain games which is why some review sites are not included in certain game benchmark comparisons.

I'll draw some form of conclusion once I get more benchmarks and reviews in.

So far, it would seem that the "older" P35 and 680i chipsets are perfectly fine for the HD3870X2. However, the difference in performance between the Hardware Canuck setup and the TweakTown setup is quite noticeable despite being vaguely similar. The obvious reasoning would be to point at the faster processor, FSB and memory not to mention a doubling in the amount of memory as well. However, one thing that seemed odd was that the drivers mentioned in the TweakTown review for the AMD side is the official Catalyst 8.1 drivers whereas Hardware Canucks is using a beta build of a future driver Catalyst 8.451.2-080.

I think it is also safe to assume that hard drives and optical drives have very little to do in the way of performance in these benchmarks.

Edits:
Spelling, grammar, and structure
Added Company of Heroes DX10 Benchmarks
Structuring of testbeds
A brief to-be-completed conclusion

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Sean Costello Jan 31, 2008, 09:34pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 1 GB!!! this thing is a BEAST!!!
good for ATI, they have the fastest card out now. Too bad some people wont just grow up and accept it.

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Scumbag Blues Jan 31, 2008, 09:46pm EST Report Abuse
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Sean Costello said:
good for ATI, they have the fastest card out now. Too bad some people wont just grow up and accept it.


Random or a mis-timed comment but a truism none-the-less. Good ol' Sean. :)

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Sean Costello Jan 31, 2008, 09:56pm EST Report Abuse
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yeah must have been misstimed, wasnt directed towards you :P

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GtoX (capt Guns) Feb 07, 2008, 04:35am EST Report Abuse
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i must say that im a little dissapointed over this card, i mean think about it.... this thing is a dual chip graphic card, and yet can only deliver like 10 more fps in some games, compared to a single chipped 8800gts.. i still say nvidia's the way to go, and not because im a fan boy, but i am startin to see towards that light, but because Amd needs to rethink the architecture in their cards, sure its 10.1 dx.. but lol, when will we see that technology be used to the full... im still stuck on Dx9....
and clock for clock, the nvidia still performs better if you compare it... the 3870x2 is like 800 something mhz, while the 8800gts 512 has like 650mhz (mine is oc and runs at 740), and still manages to keep up darn well...
now, either the drivers for the 3870x2 needs to mature, or there is a significant clock for clock loss on ati's side..
im not flaming, just putting it out the way i see it logically...
amds next gfx series is looking interesting though, that i might consider buyin...

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Supreet Virdi Feb 07, 2008, 05:02am EST Report Abuse
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WTF? Are you smoking? "compared to single chipped 8800GTS"? LMAO.


GtoX (capt Guns) Feb 07, 2008, 07:14pm EST Report Abuse
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nah im serious, look at the benchmarks, the ati performs somewhat better in a few games, it definetly improved in call of Juarez, but except for that, its not that big of an improvement if u consider the fact that its a dual chip... when i heard my friends talkin about it i was expecting some major framerates, but that wasnt the case... take a look at graphs again, theoretically clock-for-clock, the gts is better...

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Supreet Virdi Feb 07, 2008, 07:17pm EST Report Abuse
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Well..I'm done and lost.. you win, and really appreciate your humor and the way you see benchmarks.

SombaSan Feb 08, 2008, 11:01am EST Report Abuse
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clearly ur smoking something i haven't heard of please share Gtox

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ian elliott Feb 08, 2008, 09:24pm EST Report Abuse
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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 said:
Dear Ian, to restate the topic, you think the card is PCi express 2.0


I NEVER said it was and I've told you TWICE now, so stop the trolling. See page 4 for when I told you this first.

ian elliott Feb 08, 2008, 09:35pm EST Report Abuse
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DsL.Dilbert said:
However, one thing that seemed odd was that the drivers mentioned in the TweakTown review for the AMD side is the official Catalyst 8.1 drivers whereas Hardware Canucks is using a beta build of a future driver Catalyst 8.451.2-080.


The beta drivers have a marked improvement it seems. Looks like this card will improve with drivers which is a good thing.Hardware Canucks has done well by overclocking the CPU and memory DDR3 overclocked. Maybe they should have used a X38 chipset or X48 chipset though.

Has anyone seen what 2x3870x2 can do?

http://www.fpslabs.com/reviews/video/a-brief-look-at-crossfirex-scaling

Scumbag Blues Feb 08, 2008, 11:47pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon HD 3870X2 1 GB!!! this thing is a BEAST!!!
ian elliott said:
DsL.Dilbert said:
However, one thing that seemed odd was that the drivers mentioned in the TweakTown review for the AMD side is the official Catalyst 8.1 drivers whereas Hardware Canucks is using a beta build of a future driver Catalyst 8.451.2-080.


The beta drivers have a marked improvement it seems. Looks like this card will improve with drivers which is a good thing.Hardware Canucks has done well by overclocking the CPU and memory DDR3 overclocked. Maybe they should have used a X38 chipset or X48 chipset though.

Has anyone seen what 2x3870x2 can do?

http://www.fpslabs.com/reviews/video/a-brief-look-at-crossfirex-scaling


I'd love to see those benched with Crysis, Call of Duty 4, World In Conflict and Unreal Tournament 3. Pretty monstrous stuff.

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