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  Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/ 
 
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Dr. Peaceful Jan 29, 2008, 05:48pm EST Report Abuse
Recently I've been doing some LCD monitors shopping. I can't help notice a lot of the new monitors have pretty filmsy and cheaply made supporting base. Even name brand LCDs are no expection. Most also need your own assemby to attach the base to the monitor itself.

One obvious example is Samsung's XX32 series monitors. A huge monitor supported by nothing but a thin little "pole" attach to a circular base (2 piece assembly) made out of cheap plastics, probably only cost a few dollars to manufacture. The monitor shakes even with minor vibrations. It's a real shame, since these monitors are of very good specs.

I have a 15" LCD over 5 years old and a 17" over 3 years. Both have very sturdy support and base. The 15" actually have added weight and metal frame for the support, weights a ton. The monitor won't move a bit, even you're jumping on the wood floor right next to the desk it's on. Shame that the LCD itself is no longer functioning, 'cause I swear with the material it's made of it could last a life time.

I guess the huge price drop for LCDs is the primary factor for this kind of cost cutting. They're saving packaging as well by storing the base apart from the monitor. Good for them, but the consumers suffer. You pay couple hundred bucks for a decent monitor, just to find yourself resting that delicate piece of electronics on a cheap piece of plastic no stronger than kid's toys!!

C'mon! Can we at least have a bit more quality for what we're paying for?


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Jan 29, 2008, 06:13pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
My 19" widescreen LCD has a pretty wobbly base, but it's a generic brand purchased for a barrel-bottom price. :X It doesn't wobble on it's own, though, and I rarely touch it, so it's not a big concern for me at least.

john albrich Jan 29, 2008, 06:17pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
Dr. Peaceful said:
...I guess the huge price drop for LCDs is the primary factor for this kind of cost cutting....

C'mon! Can we at least have a bit more quality for what we're paying for?


I think you answered your own question. That is what we're paying for.

I also see what appear to be increasing distortions in the LCD protective cover screen. They tend to not be as noticeable when the screen is turned on, but with just ambient light one does see optical distortion in the reflected light, which I assume has to show up to some degree in the transmitted light image when the display is illuminated.

Greg M Jan 29, 2008, 06:34pm EST Report Abuse
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Hmm... Well, my Dell 2005FPW has a massive steel base that is rock solid... and I don't love it. Its hard to carry around and takes up a LOT of desk space for an LCD monitor. While I agree that flimsy bases are bad, light-weight (and small) is somewhat good. I wish I could use a small poll for my monitor and have a flat steel plate as the base.

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Dr. Peaceful Jan 29, 2008, 07:05pm EST Report Abuse
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john albrich said:
Dr. Peaceful said:
...I guess the huge price drop for LCDs is the primary factor for this kind of cost cutting....

C'mon! Can we at least have a bit more quality for what we're paying for?


I think you answered your own question. That is what we're paying for...

I did, didn't I? LOL ;) But still say for a 22" monitor of approx. $300 bucks, you would think they could at least put a sturdier and better engineered base on it, wouldn't you? ;)

Supreet Virdi Jan 29, 2008, 07:15pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
If you're looking for a quality LCD, I would suggest looking into Dell Ultrasharp series. Damn, if I ever get an LCD, it will be one of Dell.

Currently, I'm interested in this monitor:
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/2...&s=dhs

Dr. Peaceful Jan 29, 2008, 07:31pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
Very nice monitor, dude. But 16 ms response's a bit slow, though.

Adam Kolak Jan 29, 2008, 07:34pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
Greg M said:
Hmm... Well, my Dell 2005FPW has a massive steel base that is rock solid... and I don't love it. Its hard to carry around and takes up a LOT of desk space for an LCD monitor. While I agree that flimsy bases are bad, light-weight (and small) is somewhat good. I wish I could use a small poll for my monitor and have a flat steel plate as the base.

I have the same monitor, and I don't mind the huge base at all because it's rock solid stable. I guess you could take it off the stand and wall mount it though.

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Supreet Virdi Jan 29, 2008, 08:23pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
Dr. Peaceful said:
Very nice monitor, dude. But 16 ms response's a bit slow, though.


Don't go with the response time, TN panels have better response time, because of technology, but 16ms IPS / P-MVA response time is almost equivalent to 2ms TN panel's response time. Tiny ghosting is still viewable on all LCD panels, because it cannot be eradicated, due to LCD nature. You may confirm the same with Adam Kolak, who's using Dell Ultrasharp 2007FPW Widescreen monitor.

Adam Kolak Jan 29, 2008, 08:43pm EST Report Abuse
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Supreet Virdi said:
Dr. Peaceful said:
Very nice monitor, dude. But 16 ms response's a bit slow, though.


Don't go with the response time, TN panels have better response time, because of technology, but 16ms IPS / P-MVA response time is almost equivalent to 2ms TN panel's response time. Tiny ghosting is still viewable on all LCD panels, because it cannot be eradicated, due to LCD nature. You may confirm the same with Adam Kolak, who's using Dell Ultrasharp 2007FPW Widescreen monitor.

Me and Greg both have the 2005FPW not the 2007FPW. But yes, the 2005FPW has a 16ms response time and compared to my bro's LG 19" that is rated at 8ms, there is no difference at all in ghosting. Both have basically no-ghosting, although a little still exists if you really look for it. Manufacturer response time ratings mean barely nothing. In fact when I bought my Dell 2005FPW, the Apple 20" Cinema display was using the exact same LG.Phillips 20.1" Widescreen LCD panel inside. One of them rated it as 12ms and one rated it as 16ms, even though both use the same LCD panel.

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Scumbag Blues Jan 29, 2008, 08:49pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
Response time is not followed as an exact standard by all manufacturers. Response time is calculated differently by different manufacturers so I would be careful about judging a LCD screen without having seen it. It does give a very rough guess, but the best way to buy a LCD is to go look for one yourself.

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john albrich Jan 29, 2008, 09:03pm EST Report Abuse
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DsL.Dilbert said:
Response time is not followed as an exact standard by all manufacturers. Response time is calculated differently by different manufacturers so I would be careful about judging a LCD screen without having seen it. It does give a very rough guess, but the best way to buy a LCD is to go look for one yourself.


Good advice. It's just like battery Amp-hour, PSU output wattage, MTBF, and other electronic ratings...it is very dependent not only on precisely how the manufacturer defines it, but also how the manufacturer measures it. Marketing/sales people also sometimes screw around with the numbers too, all just to make their product look better even when there's no technical validation.

Greg M Jan 29, 2008, 09:03pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
This has gone off, but I no longer notice any ghosting in games. If I look for it, I can sometimes see it, but now I just write it off as "Free" motion blur ;).

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Adam Kolak Jan 29, 2008, 09:07pm EST Report Abuse
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Greg M said:
This has gone off, but I no longer notice any ghosting in games. If I look for it, I can sometimes see it, but now I just write it off as "Free" motion blur ;).

When I first got my 2005FPW I didn't notice any because I came from a 1504FP which had a 30ms response time. Good old 2003-era LCDs.

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Dr. Peaceful Jan 30, 2008, 06:28pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
Just wonder, is anyone here use monitor 24" or bigger? ;)

I played a bit of a shooter game in a demo PC setup in a store, with a 28" Hanns G monitor. LOL ;) it's f**king huge! Gave me a headache, since I was only standing less than 2 feets away from the screen and had to look both ways to see all the actions.

Is it really necessary to have mon's more than 24"? LOL ;)

Brandon DeCoppel Jan 30, 2008, 06:40pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
MY Syncmaster 931BW is stable as I need/want it to be.

And clear as a whistle

sub 200 I think now

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john albrich Jan 31, 2008, 05:53am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Rant: Filmsy & Cheaply Made LCD Monitor Bases :/
I usually don't use the provided monitor base anyway...preferring to fabricate my own pedestal out of a scavenged flat bar of metal, formed and drilled as needed to put the monitor where I want it. It cost the one-time $20 for a single articulated "universal" mounting head that gives me off-axis angular adjustment in all directions. My situation is such that once I position the display, I don't need to move it around. It's cheap, very stable, and very rugged. The bar is simply bolted to my desk.

Even with this incredibly simple mounting fixture, I've got about 5" vertical adjusment, 5" front-to-back adjustment (toward/away from the user), and almost 30degree off-axis adjustment in any direction. It's actually very flexible, but I do have to use a hex-key (aka hex-head or allen wrench) to make the adjustments.

Sure beat shelling out US$90 for a monitor mounting kit that provided the same abilities.

I bet with a very minimal amount of modification, a cheap $15 articulated desk lamp assembly could probably make a decent articulated display mounting arm.



 

    
 
 

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