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Meats_Of_Evil Mar 24, 2009, 04:45pm EDT Report Abuse
Wow check this out guys. Apparently the OnLive device will revolutionize gaming in the sense that you won't be needing top notch hardware to run it. It actually streams the game into your TV from high gaming Pc's located thousand of miles away. Sounds crazy huh?

Give it a read and tell me what you think.
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6206623/index.html?tag=topslot;thumb;2
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6206623/p-2.html
http://www.gamespot.com/features/6206623/p-3.html

Imagine playing a computer game without any hassles. Drivers, troubleshooting, installations, compatibility, performance--all thrown out the window. Upgrading? A thing of the past. All you have to do is click on the game, and seconds later, you're playing. That's what OnLive will deliver. Should it work half as well as advertised, expect to see the gaming world thrown into upheaval by a box no bigger than a deck of playing cards. The story gets even more unbelievable when you factor in price. According to company reps, OnLive intends to significantly undercut every existing console on the market.


It seems like an excellent idea, but to me it's flawed in the sense that one will require such a high internet speed to download content. And what about outside US? Bandwith availability, regional laws and all that?


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Mar 24, 2009, 04:48pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: The future of gaming?
Bandwidth I wouldn't worry about, if it's just a rendered video being sent to you. You'll need broadband, but not anything crazy. Latency is what I would worry about.

kOrny Mar 24, 2009, 05:35pm EDT Report Abuse
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wow. deafeats the purpose of a console... if it works good

BoT Mar 24, 2009, 07:10pm EDT Report Abuse
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looks to me like a spin off from evga PCoIP
http://www.evga.com/products/prodlist.asp?switch=11

i think there are a couple of other companies doing something similar.

good idea to utilize it that way but i doubt it will beat console or computer gaming, neither in performance, complexity, playability or price.

it's basically unix style x window manager. a bunch of vm's running that each device is tapping into

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Meats_Of_Evil Mar 24, 2009, 09:09pm EDT Report Abuse
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I believe that this product could have been pretty incredible but it arrived specially so late that most people already have a console and I believe they won't shell out more money for this.

Although I believe this is extremely convenient for someone who will only use his Pc for gaming and gaming only, although since I don't think that's possible given the wide range of uses Pc's are capable off, then I'm sad to predict a bad future for OnLive :(

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BoT Mar 24, 2009, 09:18pm EDT Report Abuse
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can you imagine 250k people streaming data heavy games? this is not gonna be pretty.
they need 100's of T1 lines or faster. it's craziness

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John Doe Mar 25, 2009, 05:30am EDT Report Abuse
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This won't happen in the UK for a VERY long time, if at all. the state of our broadband for the masses is a joke and thats not gonna change for a while yet. I didnt read the article, but if its supposed to be an alternate to consoles, aint gonna happen.

Dublin_Gunner Mar 25, 2009, 08:33am EDT Report Abuse
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I prefer Payton's thread lol


j/k but this will never happen unless pretty much everybody has access to decent high speed broadband (3Mbps+) with ultra low ping times.

Plus, this company would want to expand HUGELY if its to see trans-atlantic / continental gaming.

They could of course franchise I suppose, which would be a good idea. But this service is so dependant on ISP's, it wont take off for quite some time.


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Sean Costello Mar 25, 2009, 10:29am EDT Report Abuse
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Mike L. Mar 25, 2009, 12:31pm EDT Report Abuse
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It's about time they created something like this. PC gaming is and always was a scam. F**k the PC gaming industry. F**k them in their ears!

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Meats_Of_Evil Mar 25, 2009, 01:30pm EDT Report Abuse
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You're not happy with Pc gaming? :~

*edit*

Sean that's an awesome video. I now like Onlive much better, but it still doesn't seem like it's gonna work very well. As mentioned here it is very dependent on the ISP and we all know how they are.

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<a class= Mar 25, 2009, 03:55pm EDT Report Abuse
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I would prefer future gaming from my local highest end PC, located 2 feet away from my beer bottle and mah couch.

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Mike L. Mar 25, 2009, 04:36pm EDT Report Abuse
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TamTheBam Mar 25, 2009, 04:43pm EDT Report Abuse
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Streaming games.... hmm.. Seans link, the video I am streaming.. trying to watch,
pauses for ages, then streams, then pauses.... you'd think they'd have this sorted
out first before streaming games!

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Mike L. Mar 25, 2009, 04:50pm EDT Report Abuse
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LOL!

Gamespot has had an ass of a connection since I can remember.

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<a class= Mar 25, 2009, 04:50pm EDT Report Abuse
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This looks to be a good idea for all those n00bs who can't buy a decent PC.

From my view, if you are a real gamer, you will always find the money to upgrade your pc. You play hard, you own noobs, and you will do whatever it takes to play all the latest and greatest games. onLive is going to effectively destroy that whole "uber gamer" community. Sure there are some good things like being able to play on lame school laptop, but still. A system like that has various pros and cons and you really have to see.

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TamTheBam Mar 25, 2009, 04:51pm EDT Report Abuse
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Ok, watching the Video now, I actually paused the f'cking thing myself lol.

IF this works.... well, look at this way... SONY will bes**tting themselves,
as well as MS for it's XBOX. But at the end of the day, MS would gain from this
since desktops/laptops will still be required...

Also, a good way to stop piracy!

How do you think companies like Intel, AMD, nVidia, etc are going to react to this?
If a low spec computer can be used for this OnLive, this could be the demise
of loads of major companies or at least a problem. Think about it...

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Gerritt Mar 25, 2009, 05:39pm EDT Report Abuse
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I find myself in the unusual position of actually agreeing with McFly (go figure!). The issue will be more with the latency in the diagrammed solution. There will be a major delay between a "twitch" on the controller, the server processing the "twitch" and the screen update actually showing up on your screen. Even if the server processing is near instantaneous, such as with the good old Silicon Graphics Onyx 128 Processor clusters, or with multiple multi-core multi-thread physics and rendering processors (GO nVidia!), the line delays, as well as the local decompression of the frame could very well lead to up to half a second delay, even on some of the best connected internet hosts, even under some of the best conditions and no matter what the line speeds at the server or client ends. Many MMPORGs have suffered from this over the years even with local processing of the video and physics...Sonys Star War Galaxies comes to mind, as well as Evercrack, Warcraft and others. Though a lot of the laggyness was at the server end, some very well connected users could frag just about anyone on a more latent link.
I'd have to see it to believe it, but they are saying that there will be a trial period avialable for just that purpose. I don't see someone like Fatal1ty giving up his GF295 for this.
Insofar as user counts and Bandwidth BoT, this is more of a monitary issue than a bandwith issue. Two strands of fiber (or fibre for our friends on that side of the pond) can carry up to 38GIGABITS/Sec! No I didn't mean Megabits. This has been around for a couple of years and is called OC-786 or STM-256+. Granted this is not widely avialable the last time I checked, but an OC-192 or STM-64x line was, and this supports 9.6Gb/s or about 8000 T1 lines worth.
Insofar as outside the US, there are areas in Europe and the Far East where the average broadband connection is at 10Mb+, so in those areas the average player will have more than double the bandwidth necessary (according to the cnet article I read) than is required to run the provided games at the highest supported resolution. In order for "twitch" type games to be usable in these areas it will require more locallized server farms as the latency to and from the US, especially if it is a satellite link, will be much too high.

Like I said, I'll have to wait and see if at launch the latency is an issue. You can always increase server pool size, and bandwidth, but latency is inherent to the internet connected clients and what is supported at thier locations. Some games will play well, even with the latency, such as RTS, and turn based games, even those with huge graphical demands, but I don't think we will see CoD or Farcry derivatives in this arena for quite some time.

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B Mar 25, 2009, 05:55pm EDT Report Abuse
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I have actually thought about this idea many years ago and came to the conclusion that it would be unrealistic.

The main issues:
-latency
-its not a free service

When playing a games, every tenth of a second counts. The game machine will do the rendering, a device will record a video and then transfer this video. In this process there is bound to be a delay of some sort. This service is pretty much renting a high performance gaming machine which is thousands of kilometers away. Sure it would be cheaper (in the shortrun), but at the end of the day, you still need one high performance machine per gamer. I would not say it is cheaper because it is a service. The more you use it, the more expensive it will be.

There is no way that this type of service going to be cheap. I am also curious to know what happens if all the gaming machines are in use...Will that mean you will have to possible wait in line to game?

It is an interesting idea but I don't think it will be revolutionizing the industry any time soon.

Gerritt Mar 25, 2009, 06:29pm EDT Report Abuse
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I just paused the demo video. The CEO, or was it the COO, actually let on that the server farm was 50 miles away. This would be indicative of a single carrier 3 or 4 hop high speed connection, thus something in the area of 5-10ms maximum latency, vs. the 100-150ms latency that is usual in an average gamers connection.

Gerritt

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Sean Costello Mar 25, 2009, 06:29pm EDT Report Abuse
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What I'd like to know is can you actually play these PC games against other real PC gamers who aren't using this service or are you confined to a sort of LAN across their network?


EDIT: Typo

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