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john albrich Nov 15, 2011, 07:41pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Websites REQUIRING Facebook ID-US DOJ Involved
This push from the US Department of Justice is still going strong...planned DOJ testimony to US Congress.

It will be a FEDERAL CRIME to violate PRIVATE Terms of Service contract agreements. Oh, and by the way...a conviction turns you into a dating website felon, which means some of your "unalienable" rights protected by the US Constitution are alienated...taken from some cases permanently. But there's also good news! At least you won't need the dating website federal prison they won't care how much you weigh, and you'll have plenty of "dates" and opportunities for some deep relationships...

The U.S. Department of Justice is defending computer hacking laws that make it a crime to use a fake name on Facebook or lie about your weight in an online dating profile at a site like

In a statement obtained by CNET that's scheduled to be delivered tomorrow, the Justice Department argues that it (the Federal US DOJ) MUST be able to prosecute violations of Web sites' often-ignored, always-unintelligible "terms of service" policies.

The law MUST allow federal "prosecutions based upon a violation of terms of service or similar (private) CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT with an employer or provider," Richard Downing, the Justice Department's deputy computer crime chief, will tell the U.S. Congress tomorrow.

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john albrich Nov 16, 2011, 09:49pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Websites REQUIRING Facebook ID-US DOJ Involved
Note that when websites require you use a Facebook ID, you will be vulnerable to this whether or not you are a Facebook member.

This likely means Facebook can keep track of all the websites you (as a member or non-member) visit, even when you aren't participating in actual Facebook "social network" activities.

Even non-members get Facebook tracking technology installed on their computer?
The article tells us that the tracking technology extends to non-members. When you even try to post a comment on a non-Facebook-owned website...when you click on the "post" or "submit" button, it will subsequently take you to a Facebook plug-in to "log-in". According to the article below, that probably installs a Facebook tracking cookie on your computer. At the very least, it seems highly likely that Facebook keeps a record of your attempt to "log-in" to that website.

And from what I've seen on numerous websites, it is not always stated that you have to be a Facebook member to participate until AFTER you have tried to post a comment. So you won't know in advance that you will be so exposed, nor what such exposure means.

Facebook Tracking Is Under Scrutiny
Using advanced tracking "cookie" technology...
Far more quietly, another debate is brewing over a different side of online privacy: what Facebook is learning about those who visit its website.
Facebook officials are now to create a running log of (ALL) the web pages (every one of its members) has visited during the previous 90 days. Facebook also keeps close track of where millions more NON-members of the social network go on the Web, after they visit a Facebook web page for ANY reason.

This provides a warrant needed...single-point location...90-day record of website usage for hundreds of millions of internet users. And, BTW, if another bit of current legislation gets signed into law, it will likely extend that retention period from 90-days to 1 year The US DOJ has been pushing for such legislation in both the previous Republican and current Democrat Administrations, but it wants a 2 year minimum retention period.

~Vel Nov 17, 2011, 10:55am EST Report Abuse
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This makes me want to puke. Seriously, it's that disturbing to me.

Reason Nov 17, 2011, 11:55am EST Report Abuse
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Ultima Ratio Regum
Stephen Thurmon Nov 29, 2011, 11:22am EST Report Abuse
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Yep, I hate to say I told you all, but it IS what I've been saying all along. Folks, we got a serious problem here, this means you are going to be effectively censored. You will be hesitant to say what is on your mind about important matters regarding the direction of this country or legislation affecting it because you don't know if that triggers Homeland Security to label you as a terrorist or some threat, even if you believe you have a Constitutional right to say something.

You will have to leave your 1st Amendment right in the hands of a government bureaucrat to judge whether you said something dangerous or not. If we cannot see the Police State forming I suggest that we have our eyes examined, if "good men" say nothing, then there will be no one left to speak up when they come for you.

john albrich Nov 30, 2011, 05:08pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Websites REQUIRING Facebook ID-US DOJ Involved
I don't know if this is something that can be spread by a server that used the Facebook login system, but it is a possible added malware vector I hadn't considered.

New Facebook worm spreading: Security Update November 30, 2011
Danish security firm CSIS reports the worm spreads by sending direct messages using the privileges of the already logged in user. It drops a ZeuS crimeware variant on the infected host. The malware is hosted on compromised web servers across the globe.
Very limited detection rate. Detected as Win32.HLLW.Autoruner.52856 and Heure: Trojan.Win32.Generic.

john albrich Dec 02, 2011, 01:58pm EST Report Abuse
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john albrich Dec 06, 2011, 07:59am EST Report Abuse
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john albrich Dec 15, 2011, 02:28pm EST Report Abuse
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Stephen Thurmon Dec 16, 2011, 12:32pm EST Report Abuse
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It appears that what we now have in America is the same policy/approach to it's people by government and multi-national corporations, like Facebook, which benefit from a cooperative relationship with government, that the old Soviet Union had when it was in operation. Two steps forward and one step backward, if necessary.

The government will take as many of your freedoms and rights under the Constitution as you will let them take. We are seeing it now, this is the plan and it works, obviously because look at how many rights we've lost since 9/11 and we're not one bit safer for it. In fact, we are in real danger since we've relinquished our rights in exchange for supposed safety, but instead we've become subjected to a very real and present danger from our own government and so-called leaders.

Capitalism is good, Crony Capitalism by bloated corporations in bed with government is deadly to Freedom and Liberty and the way our founding fathers intended us to be. Why are we giving it up so easily? Protests against the right culprits, not Capitalists, but Crony Capitalists, the not so federal, Federal Reserve and the grotesque combination of Marxist social model for us, enforced with Fascist brutality and Crony Capitalism for the Elite who will accumulate most of the wealth and resources and leave enough slaves, that's us, to serve their needs as dishwashers, food servers and maintenance people. Stand up and say something or accept your fate, the time to decide where you stand is right now.

john albrich Dec 17, 2011, 09:03pm EST Report Abuse
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Beijing orders microbloggers to register real names
Beijing city authorities on Friday issued new rules requiring microbloggers to register their real names before posting online, as the Chinese government tightens its grip on the Internet.

The city government now requires users of weibos--the Chinese version of Twitter--to give their real names to website administrators, its official news portal said.

"It is the weibo users' LEGAL DUTY to use their true ID information to register."...authorities in Beijing are concerned about the power of the Internet to influence public opinion in a country that maintains tight controls on its traditional media outlets.

john albrich Jan 14, 2012, 08:07am EST Report Abuse
>> More cities in CHINA require "RealID"-ish online registration
More cities in CHINA require "RealID"-ish online registration
China jails dissident Chen Xi for 10 years. Veteran dissident is the second to be convicted of "inciting subversion" through online essays within four days. Democracy campaigner, Chen Wei (not related to Chen Xi), was sentenced to nine years on 23 December.

Beijing's nervousness about criticism has led to tighter online controls. On Sunday Shanghai became the latest large city to order Chinese "tweeters" to register their real names when opening accounts, the Xinhua news agency reported.

Twitter is banned in China but lively debate, cynical jokes and criticisms of official corruption spread rapidly on home-grown services such as Sina Weibo. The decision applies to new users from Monday, and will eventually cover all users. The new real-name registration rules were first applied in Beijing on 16 December, then expanded to Guangzhou and Shenzhen.

john albrich Jan 14, 2012, 08:16am EST Report Abuse
>> IRAN to require 6 months storage of individuals' detailed usage of websites
IRAN to require 6 months storage of website usage by users, Iran's "Real-ID" (internet ID card), other personal data.
(Note: that's 18 months less detailed website usage data retention than required by internet legislation proposed in the US Congress)
"Internet cafes are required to write down the forename, surname, name of the father, national identification number, postcode and telephone number of each customer," said an Iranian police statement, according to the news website Tabnak.

"Besides the personal information, they must maintain other information of the customer such as the date and the time of using the internet and the IP address, and the addresses of the websites visited. They should keep these informations for each individuals for at least six months."

Stephen Thurmon Jan 15, 2012, 11:35am EST Report Abuse
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And so it begins. "All that is required for Evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke.

Will we allow Evil to triumph? The time for choosing sides on this questions has come, you must ask yourself....where do I stand on the Constitution, the rights that so many fought and died for me to have, people who DID take a stand for what is right. Are we those people?
Or, are we the great "Silent Majority who will sit silently at our computers while we slip into the long dark night of tyranny when you won't have a computer or your freedom anymore.

john albrich Jan 26, 2012, 09:53pm EST Report Abuse
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Even if you don't actively use Facebook, I have to wonder if eventually Facebook might 'Spotify' all the websites you visit (that require a Facebook login).
You WILL reveal your past! Facebook's timeline feature becomes mandatory for all users - with just 7 days to 'clean up'
By Rob Waugh 26th January 2012
Facebook's Timeline - a new look for people's Profile pages which exposes their entire history on the site - will become mandatory for all users.

'Over the next few weeks, everyone will get timeline. When you get timeline, you'll have 7 days to preview what's there now.

The new look also pairs with 'timeline apps', such as Spotify, which post every time people listen to a song, or eat a recipe or visit somewhere.

john albrich Feb 19, 2012, 10:20pm EST Report Abuse
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UK government also implementing massive internet, email, cellphone (mobile) usage data storage. (Hmmm. I wonder how these upcoming programs will affect consumer hard drive prices and availability?)

The UK government will order ISPs, land and cellular phone companies to save details for up to a year of texts, tweets, "likes", phone calls, emails, online video gaming, eBooks, videos, etc. a user downloads to read, watch, and listen-to, and every website accessed by its own citizens.
Government spy programme will monitor every phone call, text and email... and details will be kept for up to a year
By Pamela Owen
Last updated at 1:22 PM on 19th February 2012

...information on the senders, recipients and their geographical whereabouts will be saved. Direct messages to users of social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter will also be saved and so will information exchanged between players in online video games.
Mobile phone records are able to show within yards where a call was made from and emails will be tracked using a computer's IP address.

john albrich Aug 06, 2014, 09:23pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Websites REQUIRING Facebook ID-US DOJ Involved
(Dec2013, 8 months ago)
Hacker database exposed; thousands of stolen Facebook, Twitter, Google passwords found
By Charlie Osborne for Zero Day | December 4, 2013
Summary: Researchers have uncovered a database where over two million stolen login credentials are being stored.
accounts are in the mix.
On Tuesday, the security team at Trustwave's Spider Labs revealed in a blog post that 1,580,000 usernames and passwords on the server are website accounts, including 318,121 Facebook login credentials, 21,708 Twitter accounts, 54,437 Google-based accounts and 59,549 Yahoo accounts. 320,000 email account credentials were also stolen

(Aug2014, yesterday)
Subject: Over a BILLION Passwords/UserIDs Stolen/Hacked
Real-world organized ID theft is out there.

Just another real-world reminder that it's important to periodically change your passwords, and to make them "strong" on your logins. I recommend at least yearly, and every 3 to 6 months if you can. A trusted password manager can help. Make sure you're also using updated anti-malware/keyloggers on your system. (my systems are still periodically attacked by what has been traced back to a Chinese "school"...been going on for some years now).

(this is yet another reason I don't appreciate efforts to require people using their real names as the user name on every makes it far easier for automated algorithms to correlate and hack user information across multiple websites)

Even if it's not a "critical" account (like a news site v. a bank site) remember that someone could get more personal information if you included it in your "profile" (birthdate, "mother's maiden name", "first pet", etc) info for a given website, which could then be used to help possibly crack your accounts on more sensitive websites, so making it easier for someone to gain access to your login info for any website isn't a good idea.
Russian Gang Amasses Over a Billion Internet Passwords
A Russian crime ring has amassed the largest known collection of stolen Internet credentials, including 1.2 billion user name and password combinations and more than 500 million email addresses, security researchers say.

john albrich Nov 02, 2014, 07:10pm EST Report Abuse
>> 5th Amendment NOT Apply To Physical Keys/Biometrics
Don't be surprised if in the near future we start seeing commentary about the wonderfulness of the introduction of a new "all-purpose" security enhancing "Facebook Key" or similar.

This will supposedly be in response to concerns about "recent hacking". I'm sure celebrities will just gush over it. Maybe it will become the new must-have "bling".

We're Facebook. We're here to help you.

This is particularly disturbing given recent court rulings that stipulate the Fifth Amendment DOES NOT APPLY to physical access control devices or biometrics for computers, cellphones (mobiles), tablets, the "cloud", encryption, etc. and the ongoing push on NSTIC from the White House/DOJ.

From my post in another thread
What this MEANS in such situations, is that you will be unable to "plead the Fifth Amendment" (which (in simple terms) states you can't be compelled to testify against yourself).

I believe this ruling sets a legal precedent that applies to ANY biometric access controls (e.g. eye/retina, chemical, facial recognition, etc)

AND it applies to "key"-based systems such as those that require a device such as a USB stick (or file on that stick), a ring or bracelet, or phone (e.g. NFC).

That includes REAL-ID cards/technology.
A Circuit Court judge in Virginia has ruled that fingerprints are not protected by the Fifth Amendment, a decision that has clear privacy implications for fingerprint-protected devices like newer iPhones and iPads.

According to Judge Steven C. Fucci, while a criminal defendant can't be compelled to hand over a passcode to police officers for the purpose of unlocking a cellular device, law enforcement officials can compel a defendant to give up a fingerprint.

The following should come as no surprise.
The White House has been trying to push people away from passwords since early 2011, when it launched the National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace (NSTIC). The initiative funded public-private pilot programs working on secure password replacements.
(more info on NSTIC, see

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